Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?

Hi!

I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating
my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm
having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither
RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user
repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the
packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same
principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there
being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling
release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel
changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.

I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch
Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing
LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try:

pacman -S libreoffice

This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you.

You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice

Best Regards,

Kevin Suo
Beijing, China.

06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope:

Hi :slight_smile:
Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper?  Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear!  Should be fun though :)  Good luck and happy hunting!
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

When I grow up, I may try Arch.... :wink:

Henri

I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch
Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing
LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try:

pacman -S libreoffice

This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you.

Hm… the OP said:
”Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all
software / kernel
changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.”

So obviously Manjaro/Arch does NOT provide the latest LibreOffice
packages, does it?
I didn't try any of these distributions myself, so I can't tell, sorry.

Johnny Rosenberg

I wish I asked a tech person, on a domain/hosting phone call, where he got his LO copy for his Arch system. He loved LO on his Arch computer.

I really hope you can get the 4.0.3 version installed, or 4.0.4 at the end of the month. It is much better than my Ubuntu's distro - 3.6.x for 12.04 and 4.0.1[?] for 13.04. I run 12.04LTS so I have another year before I upgrade to the 14.04LTS OS.

Is there any "easy way" to include the Arch install package[s] version to the Linux list of DEB and RPM? If Arch offers the "most cutting edge" release model for their packages and such, it might be good to add their install file type to the Linux download option.

Don't see where the you get the last line from. The Arch LO version is
"Version 4.0.3.3 (Build ID: 4.0.3.3 Arch Linux build-3)" on x86_64,
ia32 and ARM, which is current upstream release (AFAIK). LO on Arch
tends to follow upstream pretty quickly, albeit with a slight delay
for major "X.0.0" releases.

Certainly better than having to install a PPA in Ubuntu for a major
release of LO between Ubuntu releases.

-jh

Hi :slight_smile:
According to Distrowatch
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=manjaro
Manjaro already has LO 4.0.2 by default!  I'd stick with that!

I would guess it doesn't use the Debian family (Mint, Ubuntu etc) .deb installers but also doubt it uses Redhat's .rpms either.  So, i really don't know which would be best to download!
Apols and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

Hi :slight_smile:
Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper?  Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear!  Should be fun though :)  Good luck and happy hunting! Regards from Tom :slight_smile:

I'm an _occasional_ binge distro-hopper, boot up something from a 'live' drive and have a look, sometimes install for a real look-around. but basically I've been with the same distro for about three or so yrs.

when it comes to installing for testing, I have one or two machines to play with for this sort of purpose plus even if I only had one machine, it's easy to switch in a spare hard-drive and play. (laptops are easy to open.)

and best of all is to know gparted and grub2.

F.

It makes me ask the question how do people on distros such as Gentoo /
Mageia / Slackware / CentOS solve this problem, Logic tells me that they
would download the source code from here:
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=src

This then leads me to the conundrum as to how do they resolve the
conundrum of dependency! The whole issue then gets shrouded by the
different factions of the distros loyal fan-base claiming why their way
is the +Best+. I myself have been guilty of it!. I propose redoing the
design of the Linux download page and adding Icons for the DEB based
installer and the same for the RPM based one. Having a generic Linux
package as well would also be an advantage perhaps implemented by using
*bz2 format and using a tux logo as it's header?

It might solve some confusion that I initially had.
One further comment:
Would I be right in saying the source code can be ported to work on BSD
based systems such as FreeBSD and BeOS? I'd be interested in the process

Hi :slight_smile:
There are only around 3 or 4 different "package management systems" so even though there are around 8 main families of distros and several independent distros they all tend to choose 1 of the 3 or 4 methods rather than trying to create and maintain their own.  Much the same way that there are only around 4 or 5 main Office Suites rather than a different one for each.  The .deb and .rpm are the main 2 and probably account for more than 99% of distros.  My usual problem is that i don't know how to find out which of the 2 main systems is used and my memory is not up to remembering much.

Bsd is also unix-based so most of the commands don't need to be changed at all.  However Gnu&Linux has more libraries and more options for doing stuff in different ways, or even the same way.  So, not all the commands that do work in Gnu&Linux work in Bsd.  Often 1 command has 2 or 3 ways it could be written to work in Gnu&Linux but only 1 of those will work with Bsd.  There was some attempt to make Gnu&Linux programmers aware of the best alternatives for certain types of commands, in order to make commands as Bsd-friendly as possible, but people resist and tend to prefer the newer commands.  However for most of the porting process it's just a case of find&replace (and then check) and then look through for known issues.  i think the 1 port works on all different Bsd distros because they all use the same package management system (i think, but i could be wrong).  Generally if anything is not already in their repos their package maintainers or repo
people are quite quick at getting it in or are good at helping you do the porting yourself.  It's a LOT less work than porting to Windows!  Also the Bsd team has always been small but excellent and the user-base tends to be highly skilled and supportive.

Mageia has LibreOffice by default since 2011.  It's most recent "stable" release has 4.0.3.  It's "Cauldron" release has 4.1.0.  For stuff outside of it's repos i think it uses .rpms (Redhat Package Management).  At last that's what i think i remember from Mandriva
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia
scroll down to see a list of selected packages included by default.  DW aims to show the most important ones (in it's opinion) rather than a full list of everything.

Slackware seems to be against the idea of having an Office Suite at all due to some sort of philosophical issues they have about how their distro should be used.  Generally if there is something that is not already in their repos they can get it into the repos very quickly if you ask nicely and give them good links but our nasme seems to be mud with them.  They have Caligra Office by default and that uses ODF format so it's compatible with LO.  [shrugs]
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=slackware

CentOS is almost a drop-in replacement for Redhat so it uses .rpm installers (similarly with Scientific OS).  It aims at "stability" so it's default version of LibreOffice is quite old, the 3.4.5.  I think Redhat itself probably uses the same version. 
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos

Gentoo has 4.0.3 by default(ish), actually i think it gives you a choice of GOffice, KOffice or LibreOffice during install/compiling.  I think they do take stuff from source and then compile the complete system but has reasonably good wikis to help (not as good as Arch's (allegedly) (probably), of course! :wink: )
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo

Downloading Source Code is always an option with any Gnu&Linux or Bsd but you generally don't need to. 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: