Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages?

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#1

With libreoffice-writer-4.2.3.3-4.fc20.x86_64, I'm trying to write a simple business letter:

first page : header company logo
              footer contact info
next pages : header addressee and date
              footer none
appendix : no header
              no footer

So I've modified the "first page" style for headers and footers. Set Next style as "default style"

Modified default style for headers, Next style is default style.

next created age style appendix, no headers or footers. Set next style as "appendix"

I write the 3-4 page letter. Get to signatures, and insert a manual page break. On the new page I double click appendix page style.

That changes the page style for ALL the pages to "appendix".

What am I doing wrong?

sean

#2

I write the 3-4 page letter. Get to signatures, and insert a manual page break. On the new page I double click appendix page style. That changes the page style for ALL the pages to "appendix".

It will. A break between page styles occurs only naturally using Next Style (as you are aware) or explicitly as part of a manual page break. But it has to be expressed appropriately.

What am I doing wrong?

When you insert the manual page break, in the Insert Break dialogue, select your new page style ("appendix") there.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

#3

Got caught by that misconfigured "reply" again.<g>

#4

Got caught by that misconfigured "reply" again.<g>

From: Kevin O'Brien <zwilnik2@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Why new page style after manual page
break changes all pages?
To: Sean Darcy <seandarcy2@gmail.com>

By design, a Page Style will normally affect the entire document. If
you want to have different parts of the document use different Page
Styles, I would suggest that you create Sections. Each section can
have its own Page Style.

Regards,

With libreoffice-writer-4.2.3.3-4.fc20.x86_64, I'm trying to write a simple
business letter:

first page : header company logo
              footer contact info
next pages : header addressee and date
              footer none
appendix : no header
              no footer

So I've modified the "first page" style for headers and footers. Set Next
style as "default style"

Modified default style for headers, Next style is default style.

next created page style appendix, no headers or footers. Set next style as
"appendix"

I write the 3-4 page letter. Get to signatures, and insert a manual page
break. On the new page I double click appendix page style.

That changes the page style for ALL the pages to "appendix".

What am I doing wrong?

sean

OK, I'll try to learn Sections, but from the description it's not designed for this.

OTOH, Page Styles seems to be what I need:

    To apply the custom page style to more than one page, select its name in the Next Style box. To stop using the style, insert a manual page break and assign it a different page style.

I just can't seem to make it work. I can't be the only person who uses different Page Styles in the same document.

And yes: I've also been hit by misconfigured reply!

sean

#5

Sean Darcy wrote:

Got caught by that misconfigured "reply" again.<g>

And yes: I've also been hit by misconfigured reply!

I think it's working as intended:
- "Reply" goes to the original sender
- "Reply to List" goes to the mailing list
- "Reply All" goes to sender and other recipients

#6

Intended, no doubt, but still wrong.

Regards,

#7

The way this list is set up seems to be considered the "correct" way, e.g.:
   https://www.google.com/search?q="reply+to+list"
   http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html
   http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
Lists set up for "reply" to go to the list make it very difficult if you need to reply individually to the sender for any reason. It's also unexpected behaviour for the "private" reply button to send a public reply.

This list sets List-Post and other headers (for which the spec is about 16 years old), so the "Reply to List" feature of many email clients works correctly.

This way, people can easily choose who their reply goes to - individual (Reply), list (Reply to List) or both (Reply to All).

I do occasionally get caught out by it as well, since this is different from other (misconfigured) mailing lists. It would be less confusing if those other lists got this right, but just because they get it wrong doesn't mean this one should follow!

But we digress...

Mark.

Kevin O'Brien wrote:

#8

This is an argument that gains nobody anything. The quoted remarks were made in passing and should be left at that. PLEASE! Enough flame wars have been waged over this and we've lost. I surrender.

#9

I have never had this problem and have never had the need to create sections. Maybe it's because I always use page styles alternating from right page to left page and back. For instance, I begin a book with a page style called "Title", marked as right page only and set the next page style to "Copyright". I set the Copyright style to left page only and the next style as FrontMatterRight. I set the FrontMatterRight style to right page only and next style as FrontMatterLeft and set the FrontMatterLeft style to left page only and next style to FrontMatterRight. This puts me in a loop, and to break out of the loop I insert a manual page break and check the option to change the style. I also set the FrontMatter styles to use lower case roman numerals for page numbering and I can change the page numbering at the same time as I break out of the loop with the insert manual page break.

I find this necessary because I set my margins on right pages to have a larger margin on the left and on left pages to have a larger margin on the right. This is for binding purposes.

Dale Erwin

#10

What you are ignoring is that the trend in email clients is to break both RFCs and Netiquette.

jonathon

#11

[...]

I have never had this problem and have never had the need to create
sections. Maybe it's because I always use page styles alternating from
right page to left page and back. For instance, I begin a book with a page
style called "Title", marked as right page only and set the next page style
to "Copyright". I set the Copyright style to left page only and the next
style as FrontMatterRight. I set the FrontMatterRight style to right page
only and next style as FrontMatterLeft and set the FrontMatterLeft style to
left page only and next style to FrontMatterRight. This puts me in a loop,
and to break out of the loop I insert a manual page break and check the
option to change the style. I also set the FrontMatter styles to use lower
case roman numerals for page numbering and I can change the page numbering
at the same time as I break out of the loop with the insert manual page break.

Isn't what you describe exactly creating sections (even if you call it "page
break with changing style" or whatever)?

Nino

#12

With libreoffice-writer-4.2.3.3-4.fc20.x86_64, I'm trying to write a simple business letter:

first page : header company logo
              footer contact info
next pages : header addressee and date
              footer none
appendix : no header
              no footer

So I've modified the "first page" style for headers and footers. Set Next style as "default style". Modified default style for headers, Next style is default style. Next created page style appendix, no headers or footers. Set next style as "appendix".

I write the 3-4 page letter. Get to signatures, and insert a manual page break. On the new page I double click appendix page style. That changes the page style for ALL the pages to "appendix".

What am I doing wrong?

By design, a Page Style will normally affect the entire document.

No, that's not true. Page styles can change either through the Next Style setting as the text flows naturally to another page, or else as explicitly changed at a manual page break.

If you want to have different parts of the document use different Page Styles, I would suggest that you create Sections. Each section can have its own Page Style.

Sorry, but that's not true either. Sections can start and finish within pages, so it's obvious that they cannot be related to page styles, or two sections (partly?) on the same page could have competing page styles.

OK, I'll try to learn Sections, but from the description it's not designed for this.

You are right: sections are not the solution here.

OTOH, Page Styles seems to be what I need:

Exactly so.

I just can't seem to make it work. I can't be the only person who uses different Page Styles in the same document.

I'm not sure if I was too terse, but I gave you the answer to this in my earlier message (before this reply of yours). What happened when you tried what I suggested?

You are quite right that, in the situation you describe, changing the page style at a manual page break is exactly what you need. But you have to do it the way that works, not the way that doesn't. You say that you inserted a manual page break and then applied the "appendix" page style to the region after the break. That doesn't work. Instead, you have to indicate the new page style in the process of creating that break.

o Put the cursor at the top of the page immediately after your manual page break.
o Press Backspace to delete the page break.
o Now go to Insert | Manual Break... to reinsert the page break. Under Type, select "Page break" - but this time, under Style, *click the down arrow to show a drop-down menu of page styles and select your "appendix" style from the list*. Only then click OK.

Bingo!

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

#13

No. Sections (it's a specific term) are something else in LibreOffice. They can have their own settings for columns, backgrounds, footnotes, and so on, and so are a convenient way of changing those properties within a document. But in general they can start and finish within pages and they can also span pages, so they cannot be related to page styles. If you don't mean by "sections" what LibreOffice means by sections, you will confuse your readers.

Incidentally, it's possible that you are thinking of Microsoft Word's "sections", which are rather different: those are unfortunately named section *breaks* and more akin to LibreOffice's manual page breaks with a change of page style.

Brian Barker

#14

I should hope not. On the Insert menu there is an option for Manual Break and an option for Section. Why would that be considered the same thing? And, if it is, why are two options necessary?

Dale Erwin

#15

Oh sorry, this was a translation problem: the German word for "section" can
be the same as for "range", so here I rather meant "range": If you go over
"Insert - Manual break" you can create a *range* of pages with a certain
style (not a section which indeed is something different).

Nino

#16

Dale ... Nino ... & others in the know -

       Please explain how this works -
            I think I've been doing it wrong;
         your methods sound to be a shortcut which sure would keep the
pages in line.

       Thanking you now, I'll be eagerly awaiting further details along
this line,

#17

It looked to me like Brian had a good handle, and that I had missed
something. I think if I followed what he was saying, the key is to put
in a manual break first, and I must have missed that.

Regards,

#18

Brian Barker wrote

Incidentally, it's possible that you are thinking of Microsoft Word's
"sections", which are rather different: those are unfortunately named
section *breaks* and more akin to LibreOffice's manual page breaks
with a change of page style.

You're right, MS sections and LibO sections belong to different concepts
despite their similar names, thanks for reminding that.

Nino