Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

users
#1

I installed LibreOffice Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID:
4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) direct from
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ on Lubuntu 13.04. While I have no
issues with it [I]per se[/I], I think it has installed some svg files in
/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps that are really horrible.

These svg files are several hundred kB in size and one,
libreoffice4.0-calc.svg, is 1.3 MB. Opening that particular svg file in
Firefox 22 or an image viewer takes a while. This is on a Core2Duo laptop
with 4GB RAM.

I really don't see the need for such bloated svg files. When I inspected it
with a text editor and with svg-edit.html
(https://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/), it's clear to see that there's just
so much garbage in there. Grrr...

Do these svg files have any purpose at all? I don't think it's fair to
include such large svg files as part of the installation.

#2

I dont understand the problem....

The files (libreoffice*.svg) take up only 98.89% space within that directory....

:wink:

#3

Luuk wrote

#4

Hi :slight_smile:
Perhaps the Design Team might be worth contacting about it? They might like
to have some input on redesigning the images. It sounds like they didn't
have much input in the first place tbh
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#5

Tom wrote

...
Perhaps the Design Team might be worth contacting about it?...

Hi, one of the reasons I posted here, in the user-to-user section, was to
know if others see the same large (for .svg) files. If others don't, it's
possible that those files "crept in" from some other source (which I very
much doubt).
Anyway, would you happen to know the exact link where I should ask about
these files?

#6

Hi, and thank you for confirming what I saw regarding the scalable apps...

Now, I did not remove those files. Instead, I made smaller svg files, ~ 700
*bytes* each for base, calc, draw, impress, and writer files and ~ 450 bytes
for the start-center-related files. I gave them the corresponding file names
and replaced the bloated ones with the smaller ones. And, so far, I can
still open LibreOffice just fine. So I still don't know what part those
files play and why they're there.

If you're interested, here's my "replacement" code for the calc svg file :slight_smile:
Obviously, it doesn't look the same but it gets the point across :wink:

<svg width="166" height="205" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
  <rect ry="9" rx="9" id="svg_21" height="194" width="156" y="5.5" x="5"
stroke-width="5" stroke="#91E185" fill="#7f7f7f"/>
  <path fill="#91E185" stroke-width="5" d="m83,7l76,1l0,68l-76,-69z"
id="svg_22" stroke-linejoin="round"/>
  <path stroke="#999" id="svg_24"
d="m81,5.5l7,-0.5l73.5,67.5l0,7l-81,-74l0.5,0z" stroke-width="5"
fill="#999"/>
  <text font-weight="bold" xml:space="preserve" text-anchor="middle"
font-family="Monospace" font-size="134" id="svg_1" y="155" x="83"
fill="#91E185">C</text>
</svg>

To view it as an svg file, paste the code into a text editor, and save the
file with any prefix but the *suffix must be .svg*. You can then view the
file with your default image viewer.

#7

Hi :slight_smile:
I think the Design Team's mailing list address is
Design@Global.LibreOffice.Org
It might be good to forwards your last email to them. I think they can help
you set-up some space in the LibreOffice wiki for uploading test-files to.

Also they would probably be glad to see new people join so if you or anyone
else wants to join in then please do! :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

chimak111 wrote

#8

Tom wrote

Hi :slight_smile:
I think the Design Team's mailing list address is
Design@Global.LibreOffice.Org...

Tom, thanks for your response. I threw "libreoffice design team menu icons"
into a Google search and came up with several useful links which I'm
including below:
http://user-prompt.com/portfolio/libreoffice/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/threads.html

Plus, there is:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
which I'll try at the risk of being ignored. Designers are artists and
artists aren't concerned with trivial things such as file sizes :wink:

#9

Hi :slight_smile:
Thanks :slight_smile:
Without clicking on those links i suspect that the 2 wiki ones
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
are the important ones.  The others are probably suggestions that may not have reached the Design Team yet (or they may have been rough drafts that did reach the wiki eventually)
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#10

Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
that we «still don't know what part those
files play and why they're there» - or for that mattter, why they are so
large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
enlightenment !...

Henri

#11

M Henri Day wrote

...
Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
that we «still don't know what part those
files play and why they're there» - or for that mattter, why they are so
large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
enlightenment !...

Henri
...

Hi Henri, I've also posted here:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05867.html
That mailing list seems more appropriate. Let us hope someone answers :slight_smile:

#12

In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that interested
parties can see the reply ?...

Henri

#13

Hi :slight_smile:
The linked-to thread seems to only have 1 post?  It links to a Nabble thread that also only has 1 post.

I think there is a bit of confusion here.  Whichever system you use to make posts they all go into the same back-end.  Then whichever front-end people use they all get to see all those messages that are stored in the backend.  This means you can view the list and post to the list using Nabble as the front-end but people using GMane or normal emails also get to see all those posts (and are able to respond using their front-end).

This whole back-end - front-end thing really confuses a lot of people.  It's one of the main blockers that prevents people from realising just how much easier it would be to use Base instead of Calc (or Access instead of Excel (if you don't mind the vendor lock-in)) for all sorts of things.  Ideally people would use Base instead of Excel, obviously, but that is 2 hurdles to cross.  Just lately i got into Ssh'ing and that uses the term "server", vs "client" to mean much the same thing
server ~ back-end
client ~ front-end
Of course it's not quite that simple but it helped me understand it.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#14

Hi,

chimak111 schrieb:

I installed LibreOffice Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID:
4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) direct from
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ on Lubuntu 13.04. While I have no
issues with it [I]per se[/I], I think it has installed some svg files in
/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps that are really horrible.

These svg files are several hundred kB in size and one,
libreoffice4.0-calc.svg, is 1.3 MB.

Is that the exact filename? I do not find it with http://opengrok.libreoffice.org

Is it possible, that this file is no original LibreOffice file, but has been added by your distro?

Kind regards
Regina

#15

M Henri Day wrote

In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that
interested
parties can see the reply ?...

Henri

Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His reply
is here:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html
You should be able to access that link from your browser without any
problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :slight_smile:

#16

chimak111 wrote

M Henri Day wrote

In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that
interested
parties can see the reply ?...

Henri

Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His
reply is here:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html
You should be able to access that link from your browser without any
problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :slight_smile:

Actually, both threads are available for review in full at Nabble.

This from the Users mail list at--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-such-large-svg-files-in-LibreOffice-Linux-tp4056944.html

And the other response from the Design mail lists at--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Size-of-LibreOffice-svg-files-tp4057288.html

The Document Foundation maintains the Nabble archive because it is very
efficient in keeping the mail lists organized and accessible to all
interested users. It has a fairly robust search capability. And, the Nabble
service also brokers subscription to the respective lists.

Non-subscribers CAN post onto any of the Nabble mail list archives--but
message will be held for moderation when posting to a non-subscribed list.

Poke through Nabble, it is a useful resource.

Stuart