writer-how to have in a table column width as I like and how to add a column without stretching the other

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

libreoffice 4.1.5.3 on linux opensuse 13.1 kde 4.11.5
if I have a table with 4 column how can I get for example the first column width of 2cm the second and third of 3cm and the fourth of 4cm?? giving numbers not with mouse??

I tried:
rightclick > table... >tab table and i tried both selecting automatic and left alignement
rightclick > table... >tab columns inserting values in the column width spaces
but writer also don't honour this becouse I suspect it maintain the global lenght of table
I also selected "adjust column proportionally" but nothing change, and also selecting "adjust column proportionally" "adapt table width" is automatically selected
I insert values in column width but writer doesnt obey to this becouse change the other

and also, how can I add a column without stretching the other??
if I select a column of 1cm width and rightclick >colunn>insert choosing 1 column after writer add a column but strech the other conserving the global table width, I would like to ADD a column without touching the others column width

ciao manythanks pier

[Brian_Barker]

libreoffice 4.1.5.3 on linux opensuse 13.1 kde 4.11.5
if I have a table with 4 column how can I get for example the first column width of 2cm the second and third of 3cm and the fourth of 4cm?? giving numbers not with mouse??

I tried: rightclick > table... >tab table and i tried both selecting automatic and left alignment

"Automatic" won't help you: this adjusts the table to fill the space between the margins, so any change of column width has to be accompanied by a compensating one to achieve this. Any other option here should suffice.

rightclick > table... >tab columns inserting values in the column width spaces but writer also don't honour this because I suspect it maintain the global length of table
I also selected "adjust column proportionally" but nothing change, and also selecting "adjust column proportionally" "adapt table width" is automatically selected
I insert values in column width but writer doesn't obey to this because change the other

It sounds as if you have tried everything except the precise option you need - which appears to be having "Adapt table width" ticked but "Adjust columns proportionally" *not* ticked. Note that the tick against "Adapt table width" applies for the current operation only: if you go back to adjust the widths later, you will have to tick that option again.

and also, how can I add a column without stretching the other??
if I select a column of 1cm width and rightclick >column>insert choosing 1 column after writer add a column but stretch the other conserving the global table width, I would like to ADD a column without touching the others column width

You can do this using the keyboard. First go to Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Table | Keyboard handling | Behavior of rows/columns and select Variable. To insert your column, first press Alt+Insert to activate keyboard handling; then press right-arrow to insert a column to the right. The cursor will now be in your new column; press Alt+left-arrow or Alt+right-arrow to change the column width as desired. You can set the original width of columns inserted this way at Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Table | Keyboard handling | Insert cell.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

I don't know why but when I do reply in thunderbird it answer only to you and not to the list like in the past, so I send to the list again..

snpp...

and also, how can I add a column without stretching the other??
if I select a column of 1cm width and rightclick >column>insert
choosing 1 column after writer add a column but stretch the other
conserving the global table width, I would like to ADD a column
without touching the others column width

You can do this using the keyboard. First go to Tools | Options... |
OpenOffice.org Writer | Table | Keyboard handling | Behavior of
rows/columns and select Variable. To insert your column, first press
Alt+Insert to activate keyboard handling; then press right-arrow to
insert a column to the right. The cursor will now be in your new column;
press Alt+left-arrow or Alt+right-arrow to change the column width as
desired. You can set the original width of columns inserted this way at
Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Table | Keyboard handling |
Insert cell.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

many thanks again Brian, this helps a lot...>Tools>... =ok it was already in that way
what do you intend to press Alt+Insert?? I clicked on Insert menu pressing Alt but it seems nothing happen, if I place cursor in the table a lower ribbon appear where is there an insert icon, pressing Alt and clicking on it nothing happens, but the keyoard handling should works becouse I can change columns width with Alt+left-arrow and right-arrow..
but..., I would like a behaviour like this:
...hoping to explain well..
when inserting column total table width has to change and single column width not.
in Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Table | Keyboard handling | Insert cell I set column width to insert = 2cm
if my table is 10cm wide and has 3 columns of 4cm 3cm and 3cm
when I add a column the table should result 12cm wide and 4 columns of 4cm 3cm 3cm and 2cm..
...in practice like if I copy and paste a column..., that if I remember well was possible before and seems not now...

ciao pier...

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

I don't know why but when I do reply in thunderbird it answer only to you and not to the list like in the past, so I send to the list again..

libreoffice 4.1.5.3 on linux opensuse 13.1 kde 4.11.5
if I have a table with 4 column how can I get for example the first
column width of 2cm the second and third of 3cm and the fourth of
4cm?? giving numbers not with mouse??

I tried: rightclick > table... >tab table and i tried both selecting
automatic and left alignment

"Automatic" won't help you: this adjusts the table to fill the space
between the margins, so any change of column width has to be accompanied
by a compensating one to achieve this. Any other option here should
suffice.

rightclick > table... >tab columns inserting values in the column
width spaces but writer also don't honour this because I suspect it
maintain the global length of table
I also selected "adjust column proportionally" but nothing change, and
also selecting "adjust column proportionally" "adapt table width" is
automatically selected
I insert values in column width but writer doesn't obey to this
because change the other

It sounds as if you have tried everything except the precise option you
need - which appears to be having "Adapt table width" ticked but "Adjust
columns proportionally" *not* ticked. Note that the tick against "Adapt
table width" applies for the current operation only: if you go back to
adjust the widths later, you will have to tick that option again.

snpp

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

...yes, I tried everything but the one that solves... how murphy low teach...
...but there is a reason for this....
click on the help I have:
"Adapt table width
Maintains the current width of the table when you change the width of a column. This option is not available if Automatic is selected in the Alignment area on the Table tab."
...I'm not english mothertongue but it definetly seems that it is the only option I don't need... ..

many thanks, ciao pier

P.S.
is there somebody to ask to correct in a better way this help??
may be like:
"if not checked Maintains the current width of the table when you change the width of a column. This option is not available if Automatic is selected in the Alignment area on the Table tab."

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

I don't know why but when I do reply in thunderbird it answer only to you and not to the list like in the past, so I send to the list again..

what do you intend to press Alt+Insert?

Hold down Alt and press the Insert *key* - on the keyboard.

aaaahhh yeah, now I get it... ...I never use the insert key very much so I didn't thought to it.. it works verywell now as I like.. and you gave me a good idea on reading the online manual, not the help, it is very helpful and I discovered also the Alt+Delete works too...

manythanks, ciao pier...

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

filed the bug...
https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=77998

I added also this that seems impossible...

-)in the section "To adjust the resizing parameters and behavior for keyboard handling, choose Tools > Options > LibreOffice Writer > Table."

there is this sentence:

"Fixed, proportional: when resizing a cell with this option selected, all the other cells are
also resized proportionally, Also in this case the width of the table remains constant."
and this cannot happen becouse resizing a cell when all the other cells are also resized cannot be maintaining the width of the table

[Tanstaafl]

In Thunderbird, always use Reply-To-List, not just 'Reply'...

Or, if you use the buttons in the Message Header, modify it to use the 'Smart Reply' button, so it will automatically detect lists and change to 'Reply-To-List' automatically.

This is a PEBKAC problem, nothing more...

[Paul16]

I know this list reply issue has cropped up several times now, but just
to add something I haven't seen mentioned:

I'm using Claws Mail 3.7.6 on Windows 7 64bit. When replying to
messages from this list, there are normally four options:

a) Reply
b) Reply to all
c) Reply to sender
d) Reply to mailing list

I normally use the default reply (option a), and like with this
message, it normally goes to the list.

But a while back I noticed that for someone I was replying to, the
reply button addressed the reply to the person, and not the list. I
can't remember who (or even when exactly) this was, but it was not the
normal behavior. In that case I picked it up before sending the
message, and just manually corrected the issue, I think. I'm can't
remember if I tried the "Reply to mailing list" option, or what it did
if I did.

So it seems that sometimes things work one way and sometimes the
other...

This is a PEBKAC problem, nothing more...

I'm not so sure it always is...

Paul

[Tanstaafl]

More than likely that particular user had explicitly set a 'Reply-To' header...

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

I don't know why but when I do reply in thunderbird it answer only to
you and not to the list like in the past, so I send to the list
again..

In Thunderbird, always use Reply-To-List, not just 'Reply'...

other lists doesn't have this behaviour, I press ctrl+R and thunderbird correctly reply to the list... why this list behave differently???

Or, if you use the buttons in the Message Header, modify it to use the
'Smart Reply' button, so it will automatically detect lists and change
to 'Reply-To-List' automatically.

I only have reply and reply to list buttons but usyually I prefere to use keyboard, but, now the assignement is changed and to reply to list I should press ctrl+shift+L but I forget to do it...

This is a PEBKAC problem, nothing more...

...it isn't a PEBKAC problem, becouse before there wasn't this problem, ctrl+R reply to list, always, so, the problem is that I should adapt to the machine, instead should be better that the machine should adapt to me...

[pete_nikolic]

Well surely this is a mailing list and the optimum choice should be (d) Reply to
Mailing list , Unless you have not set users@global.libreoffice.org as a mailing
list

Pete .

[James_E_Lang3]

Paul,

One problem is that not all mail clients explicitly support your
option d (Reply to mailing list). Option c (Reply to sender) is not
even explicitly supported by some mail clients. Pegasus Mail (which I
am using for this response) has only a single Reply button but using
it opens a Reply Options menu from which one can select any of about
six different header categories from which the addressee can be
selected. Of course the To: field can be manually edited later as
well. Mulberry Mail, which I use sometimes on both Linux and Windows,
has a similar technique for selecting the addressee(s) for replies
(and only a single button). DroidMail on my Android phone has two
"buttons" -- Reply and Reply All.

This topic has become the basis for flame wars on this list so I
generally try to avoid the subject here. However, I will once again
explain my own way of thinking about the subject.

Mailing lists are a way to share comments with a group of people who
share an interest in a particular topic. As such private replies
_should_ be the exception rather than the rule. As a result, IMO
Reply should route the message to the mailing list by default.
Starting with this post, any message that I send to this mailing list
via any of the three mail clients that I use will carry this header:

This will tell the mail clients from which replies are sent that this
is the preferred address to which a reply should be sent. This is my
way of getting around what I consider to be a wrong headed
configuration of this mailing list.

I am willing to respond to serious questions about my policy and way
of thinking but will NOT participate in a flame war..

[Brian_Barker]

Mailing lists are a way to share comments with a group of people who share an interest in a particular topic. As such private replies _should_ be the exception rather than the rule.

It's true that some lists - perhaps most - are for discussion, but not all. The web site advertises this list thus: "The user support mailing list address is our main channel for LibreOffice users needing help with a problem". Users with problems do not necessarily want to engage in a discussion: they just want help. Nor do list members want to discuss, perhaps for the umpteenth time, such questions as why LibreOffice is not a clone of Microsoft Office.

Starting with this post, any message that I send to this mailing list via any of the three mail clients that I use will carry this header:
   Reply-To: "LibreOffice Users List" <users@global.libreoffice.org

This will tell the mail clients from which replies are sent that this is the preferred address to which a reply should be sent. This is my way of getting around what I consider to be a wrong headed configuration of this mailing list.

Interestingly, the fact that you can do this defeats your point! The mailbox(es) to which the *author* of the message suggests that replies be sent" (my emphasis). The author of a message, of course, is you - not the list. The header is provided to give *you* this control - and by not interfering, this list preserves this facility for you as it should.

I ... will NOT participate in a flame war.

No incendiaries here!

Brian Barker

[James_E_Lang3]

Oops. Pegasus Mail truncated my Reply-To header. We'll see what DroidMail does.

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

Mailing lists are a way to share comments with a group of people who
share an interest in a particular topic. As such private replies
_should_ be the exception rather than the rule.

It's true that some lists - perhaps most - are for discussion, but not
all. The web site advertises this list thus: "The user support mailing
list address is our main channel for LibreOffice users needing help with
a problem". Users with problems do not necessarily want to engage in a
discussion: they just want help. Nor do list members want to discuss,
perhaps for the umpteenth time, such questions as why LibreOffice is not
a clone of Microsoft Office.

I haven't yet a strong opinion about this , but libreoffice-mailing-list could add an advise that say for example "this list is considered public and the reply-to field isn't taken into account..."

Starting with this post, any message that I send to this mailing list
via any of the three mail clients that I use will carry this header:
   Reply-To: "LibreOffice Users List" <users@global.libreoffice.org

This will tell the mail clients from which replies are sent that this
is the preferred address to which a reply should be sent. This is my
way of getting around what I consider to be a wrong headed
configuration of this mailing list.

Interestingly, the fact that you can do this defeats your point! The
Reply-To: header, in the words of RFC 2822, "indicates the mailbox(es)
to which the *author* of the message suggests that replies be sent" (my
emphasis). The author of a message, of course, is you - not the list.
The header is provided to give *you* this control - and by not
interfering, this list preserves this facility for you as it should.

...could be an option...., but, if I use the email address also for other mailing lists what happen if I set the "reply-to" field with all the mailing lists addresses???

I ... will NOT participate in a flame war.

No incendiaries here!

only firemans that puts out flames with beer...

Brian Barker

thanx ciao pier...

P.S. I was sending this email privately instead of publicly again... but stopped just in time...

[James_E_Lang1]

Actually the Reply-To: header is passed along by the list server and thus it is honored. The question is, "What happens to posts that lack a Reply-To: header?" I am also unsure whether multiple Reply-To: headers are supported by the eMail RFC.

To implement my new procedure I added a Reply-To: address to the unique identity that I use for posts to this list. I believe that most mail clients support multiple identities each of which can default to a different combination of addressing headers (e.g. To:, CC:, BCC:, From:, and Reply-To: ). They also generally support a unique signature block for each identity (e.g. my amateur radio call sign or an account number at a business does not belong in signatures on this list but may be essential in some other eMail I send).

It would be nice if all mailing lists adhered to a common standard in this but "nice" has nothing to with the world as it exists. It would eliminate a lot of misaddressed replies. The fact that there are so many posts to this list that begin with some variant of, "oops I sent my reply to the wrong place," attests to the fact that this list is out of step with many other lists. Those who established the current policy had a reason so that's the way it is. I'm grudgingly accepting it.

To the extent that solutions to problems are given, I would like to always see them shared on the list. Rants about how LO differs from MSO are indeed a problem. Maybe a list and wiki that are dedicated to the philosophy behind the differences between the open (LO, AOO, OOo, etc) and proprietary (MSO, KSO, etc.) office suites would take some of the pressure off of this list. (?)

[Tanstaafl]

I don't know why but when I do reply in thunderbird it answer only to
you and not to the list like in the past, so I send to the list
again..

In Thunderbird, always use Reply-To-List, not just 'Reply'...

other lists doesn't have this behaviour, I press ctrl+R and thunderbird
correctly reply to the list... why this list behave differently???

Because other lists 'munge' the reply to force it to the list.

Google it if you want more details. It is a religious argument to many (to munge or not to munge), so lets please not start that flamewar up again.

Or, if you use the buttons in the Message Header, modify it to use the
'Smart Reply' button, so it will automatically detect lists and change
to 'Reply-To-List' automatically.

I only have reply and reply to list buttons

If you want to use a button, you have to manually add the 'Reply to List' button to your toolbar.

but usyually I prefere to use keyboard, but, now the assignement is
changed and to reply to list I should press ctrl+shift+L but I forget
to do it...

As I said - PEBKAC problem.

This is a PEBKAC problem, nothing more...

...it isn't a PEBKAC problem, becouse before there wasn't this problem,
ctrl+R reply to list, always, so, the problem is that I should adapt to
the machine, instead should be better that the machine should adapt to
me...

You are wrong, this list has been this way for a long time, or we wouldn't have had this discussion dozens of times over the last few years.

Again... PEBKAC problem.

[Mark_Bourne]

Paul wrote:

...
But a while back I noticed that for someone I was replying to, the
reply button addressed the reply to the person, and not the list. I
can't remember who (or even when exactly) this was, but it was not the
normal behavior. In that case I picked it up before sending the
message, and just manually corrected the issue, I think. I'm can't
remember if I tried the "Reply to mailing list" option, or what it did
if I did.

It may be that they had replied directly to you (perhaps using "reply all" to send a reply to the list as well), and since the email wouldn't have gone via the list server to get to you, it wouldn't have the list-post header added (which is what the "Reply to mailing list" would use). Just a guess.

Mark.

[yahoo-pier_andreit]

...as a religious argument we can pray, make animal and human sacrifice..., santificate somebody...