Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

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#1

Pessoal,

Precisamos ter um posicionamento sobre isso:

A Microsoft assinou um termo de cooperação com o Estado de São Paulo que
vai dar acesso gratuito aos pacotes Office para os cerca de 4,3 milhões de
alunos matriculados na rede estadual de ensino, informou o secretário da
Educação, Herman Voorwald.

O acordo, anunciado na quinta-feira (31) pelo secretário e o presidente da
empresa americana no Brasil, Mariano de Beer, tem o objetivo de
disponibilizar conteúdos digitais sem custo para capacitar os alunos das
escolas estaduais.

Os estudantes terão acesso ao Office 365 ProPlus, que custaria R$ 24
mensais.

"A parceria complementa as ações focadas em disponibilizar ferramentas
digitais atreladas ao currículo dos alunos", disse Voorwald.

Segundo a Secretaria de Educação, a parceria irá articular alguns outros
projetos da capital paulista como o Acessa Escola, que é um programa de
inclusão digital e de acesso livre à internet nas escolas, e a
Evesp<http://www.educacao.sp.gov.br/evesp/cursos/>(Escola Virtual de
São Paulo), que disponibiliza plataformas digitais com
cursos de idiomas e preparatórios on-line.
  Milton Michida - 26.mar.13/Divulgação [image: Professora Beatriz de
Oliveira Fortes dá aula na rede estadual na capital paulista] Professora
Beatriz de Oliveira Fortes em aula com computadores na rede estadual na
capital paulista

No entanto, segundo o especialista em software livre e professor Edson
Silva, o governo do estado "está vendendo o serviço à Microsoft", porque a
parceria é uma forma de forçar o uso do software privado, porque os
programas da empresa americana "são mais fáceis de piratear", explicou à
Efe.

Para o professor, o software livre proporciona mais liberdade de acesso,
mesmo tendo uma interface de interação mais difícil de usar do que o da
Microsoft.

"Não se deve viciar em uma forma de organização de janelas, pasta do
desktop, e o Windows faz isso. Isso amarra as pessoas profissionalmente,
elas devem ter liberdade para escolher o tipo de tecnologia irão utilizar
no dia a dia, já que a lógica da programação é a mesma", afirmou Silva.

O professor ainda destaca que o software livre é uma opção de investimento
que tem custo, mas garante essa "liberdade" de interação com a tecnologia e
a diminuição da pirataria comum ao campo da computação.

"Se a empresa libera gratuitamente os programas do pacote Office é uma
maneira de tornar os alunos dependentes dessa corporação, e os governos
devem ajudar nessa mudança de comportamento cultural, incentivando o não
pagamento de altas licenças de programas", ressaltou o especialista.
fonte: Folha de S. Paulo
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#2

And that is great, as Microsoft Office is designed not by copycats, but for people who actually know what the Office is for.

#3

Just a simple question, Do you know who originally designed Microsoft
Office?

Regards,
Les H

#4

MS was the bigest copycats there was back in the early days. They
"stole" from any package that could get away with. If they could not
steal it, they bought the copywrites behind it and then others had to
stop using "their technology".

I was working in the computer field when Apple came out with the first
Mac, and then many of those ideas were used to make the first Windows
OS. There were a lot of different office packages out there before MSO
came out, or even before MS Works came out. I know, I used them on
floppy/DOS based system as well as on mini/mainframe systems. DEC has a
very popular office package that was mostly a word processor, before MSO
was out.

Now, MS just buys patents, and companies, to get the technology they
need and then sues every one else for patent infrigment if they use
anything that looks like it is any way near their patented tech, but if
they use some other company's patents they will fight till the other
company drains their bank accounts and then go in for the kill. When
they are big enough to pay court fees and fines out of their "petty cash
fund", they can steal anything they want to and get away with it since
no other company, of government can afford to go head-to-toe with MS in
a court battle, since every one else cannot spend like MS can for court
costs.

Now there are some good things about MS, there has to be somewhere, but
I do not know of any off the top of my head.

Actually MS stole the mouse tech from Apple, and Apple stole it from
Zerox [if I remember correctly].

#5

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I was working in the computer field when Apple came out with the first
Mac, and then many of those ideas were used to make the first Windows
OS.

Actually, Apple borrowed those ideas from Xerox. This is one reason why
they lost the lawsuit against MS. Please do not assume I'm a fan of MS,
as I consider them to be very destructive, but I like to see the facts
stated correctly.

Actually MS stole the mouse tech from Apple, and Apple stole it from
Zerox [if I remember correctly].

The mouse was invented by Douglas Engelbart at Stanford.

#6

"Les Howell":

Just a simple question, Do you know who originally designed Microsoft
Office?

Microsoft mostly.

#7

"Kracked_P_P---webmaster":

MS was the bigest copycats there was back in the early days. They
"stole" from any package that could get away with.

I was working in the computer field when Apple came out with the first
Mac, and then many of those ideas were used to make the first Windows
OS.

It is improbable considering the Mac appearing in 1984, and Windows, with the same GUI architecture as today, appearing in 1985. There was no chance they could adapt the entire GUI in year or so.

#8

"Kracked_P_P---webmaster":

90% of the businesses users I know of use less than 10% of the features
and functions that MSO has.

BTW, you know what one can do with Word 2.0 but not with StarOffice-rebranded-for-a-third-time? Creating section templates, a rough analog of section styles. Because the most of StarOffice audience are whitespace-formatting Linux users, that feature never came into the light.

#9

StarOffice users are Linux users? . . . .
I have never seen StarOffice available for Linux. StarOffice was a MS
OS package not a Linux package, when it first came out, so StarOffice
"audience" was a Windows "audience" and not Linux. Actually OOo, AOO,
and LO may have its roots in StarOffice, but they are not StarOffice by
any means.

"whitespace-formatting Linux users"? Never heard of a Linux distro
called "whitespace-formatting".

It seems that you are implying that Linux users are some sort of
"creature" to be kept away from a modern office environment, or at least
one that creates documentation for a company. I do not know about you,
but people who write documents for a living tend to have their favorite
word processing package. I know one, Piers Anthony, that uses Linux and
LO for many reasons, but one of the biggest is the ability to use custom
keyboards for the OS and Macros for the word processing package. This
author, when a little younger, produced 4 to 6 paper-back books a year,
plus some co-authoring ones. Now that he is about 80, he is producing
only 2 to 4 books a year. He has stated, in print, that he needed Linux
and various non-MSO packages to do his work.

As for Linux. . . .
I have been using Ubuntu Linux for my default system since Spring of
2010, and use Windows only when the hardware or software must run on a
Windows system. Every Windows system I use is also dual booting with
Ubuntu. Well all but one. That one is a half broken laptop that I use
as a loaner Windows system.

I know that some people like "styles" and would not go with out them,
but I do not use them and they are the bane of my "fixing" other
people's documentation. I get people who want me to "fix" some parts of
a document that others made for them and half the time the "styles' get
in the way of the editing and fixing.

Sure "style" can help, but they also can "hurt" if the style's creator
goes in for "the more complex the better" idea of thinking. K.I.S.S.
[keep it simple stupid] is still an idea that both documentation writers
and "code writers" should take to heart. The more complex things are,
the harder to fix, edit, understand, modify, etc., etc..

You do not need styles, but if you use styles, keep them simple.

#10

Urmas wrote:

Just a simple question, Do you know who originally designed Microsoft
Office?

Microsoft mostly.

IIRC, they bought what became Excel and I believe Word too, from other
companies.

#11

Microsoft did not develop the first office productivity packages.
Several predated any MS offerings and were available before the IBM-PC
was released. How MS precisely entered the office productivity market is
less important than the fact there were other packages available at that
time. Basic text parsing has been done for a long time.

Visi-Calc was the first spreadsheet and was available on the Apple II.
Dedicated word processors (Wang) were available.

#12

"Jay Lozier":

Microsoft did not develop the first office productivity packages.

There were no 'office packages' before Microsoft Office.

Several predated any MS offerings and were available before the IBM-PC
was released.

They didn't design the first, but they have designed the best.

#13

Urmas wrote:

"Jay Lozier":

Microsoft did not develop the first office productivity packages.

There were no 'office packages' before Microsoft Office.

Several predated any MS offerings and were available before the IBM-PC
was released.

They didn't design the first, but they have designed the best

So tell me, Urmas, if you find MSO to be the best, why are your here on an LO list?
Regards
Fred James

#14

+ 1

#15

I disagree. WordPerfect is better!

--doug

#16

I don't want to speak for Urmas, or necessarily defend him, but I use many programs in addition to LO for my work, and in many respects I prefer other options over LO. I've often spoken of the Atlantis Word Processor, a very small Word clone that I keep going back to for its simplicity, speed and stability. And, aside from creating tables, it does all I need in word processing (and has the best built-in Epub converter that I've seen in any word processor). I've also been playing recently with markdown editors like WriteMonkey and ReText. I like typing a plain text file and having it formatted by a separate CSS file. There's a simplicity about it that is quite enjoyable. I've used LaTeX and LyX on occasion. And, my job requires me to use (and teach) Microsoft Office. I even have an old version of WordPerfect on my system for those rare times I need to read its files from colleagues.

So, why am I here on this list? I still use LO for those tasks that can't be accomplished by my other simpler tools. When I need tables, I use LO Writer. Also, I use Calc and Presentation and Base for many tasks, none of which are supported in the dedicated editors that I tend to prefer over LO.

LO is the digital equivalent of my minivan. It does everything, but often isn't very fun, precisely because of its relative complexity. Atlantis is my sports car; small, light and fun, but not very practical when I need to haul a sheet of plywood.

So, I stay on this list to keep learning about the program, and I've learned plenty from y'all.

I hope that blind devotion to LO over all other computing tools doesn't become a prerequisite for discussing its relative merits and failings on this list. Last I saw, this is a *user's* list, not necessarily a *cheerleader's* list.

Virgil

#17

I'm a strong proponents of Styles, and I teach them to my university students and insist that they use them in term papers for my class. But, I agree, they can get in the way when documents are shared among different collaborators. I have often shared documents with others. While I was using styles, my colleagues were not, so we often had a struggle to find some common formatting ground.

Virgil

#18

I can remember writing college papers with Clarisworks.
And there was Wordperfect from Corel.
Although, I'm uncertain whether these were before or after MSOffice.
I saw them both before I ever heard of MSOffice, though.

Let's see...Clarisworks was released 1984.
StarOffice (Sun) was released in 1985.
Lotus 1 2 3 was released in 1983, but apparently Lotus Notes wasn't until 1989.
Wordperfect for DOS was released in 1989.

And MSOffice was released in 1991.

Of course, neither Staroffice (Sun), Lotus (IBM) nor Wordperfect
(Corel), had a full suite, initially,
as far as I am aware, but Clarisworks/Appleworks did, well before MSOffice.
OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice, of course, are both children of the
old StarOffice.

Tony

#19

Virgil Arrington wrote:

(omissions for brevity)

Last I saw, this is a *user's* list, not necessarily a *cheerleader's* list.

Virgil
(omissions for brevity)

So tell me, Urmas, if you find MSO to be the best, why are your here on
an LO list?
Regards
Fred James

Neither a booster or a trasher, am I. I am on this list to learn, full stop. Religious wars still annoy me ... I shall have to work on that.
Regards
Fred James

#20

Virgil Arrington wrote:

StarOffice users are Linux users? . . . .
I have never seen StarOffice available for Linux. StarOffice was a MS
OS package not a Linux package, when it first came out, so StarOffice
"audience" was a Windows "audience" and not Linux. Actually OOo, AOO,
and LO may have its roots in StarOffice, but they are not StarOffice by
any means.

StarOffice was not from MS. It was originally written for CP/M on the
Z80, by a guy who started StarDivision. I first came across it on
OS/2. StarDivision was bought by Sun, who kept StarOffice as the
commercial version of the open source OpenOffice. LibreOffice was
created from OpenOffice, when Oracle, after buying Sun, couldn't decide
what to do with StarOffice and OpenOffice.