help package installation failure

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#21

Tanstaafl wrote (10-06-11 16:52)

No. I want what we used to have with OOo... downloads for each language,
complete with the help file for that language ONLY...

This is a known wish, with valid reasons. AFAIK, the devs are fully aware of it and work on it - within the range of what is currently possible. One example: Windows installer has already shrinked with 30MB for 3.4.0

Cheers,

#22

Tanstaafl wrote (10-06-11 16:54)

If you go back and read the archives, you will plainly see that the only
reason given for the single download was because of limited disk space,

Are you really sure? I though build time, so plain CPU power & energy, were an issue too. But I might be wrong (could ask devs of course..)

#23

I'm sure, because I participated in the discussion...

#24

I've had no trouble making that work. Typically, I can open any of my .odt/.ods/ ..., files in any of Microsoft Word, whatever version of OO.o/LO that is installed on the same machine, and WinZip using the context menu and "Open With ...". That is, the different ways I have opened an .odt in the past become added to the "Open With ..." menu. I've even had different version of OpenOffice.org in the context menu, but it is hard to tell them apart so I don't try that any longer.

I usually have to train "Open With ..." by going to the application the hard way (browse for it in Program Files) the first time, but it seems to remember after that. Remember not to check "make this the default" though.

I currently am running in an administrator account on all of the places where I do this. I don't know if that is a factor in getting "Open With ..." to stick or not.

- Dennis

PS: I put WinZip on the context menu because I do document forensics work in checking interoperability problems and inspecting for how ODF is handled for particular cases.

#25

Hi :slight_smile:
Un-installing OpenOffice often cures weird and unlikely problems especially in
Windows.

There is still often a clash between OpenOffice and LibreOffice when both are
installed on a system. There are some clever ways to install both but i don't
have a note of any of the various instructions and have not compared their
reliability or effectiveness.

Often the main problems occur when the Quick Launcher/Starter is enabled within
OpenOffice. Even without that they both use the same names on the command-line,
such as "soffice --writer" so the scope for errors and confusions is quite
high.

Usually just using the "Open with .." and then browsing to the relevant program
is enough to push that program to the short-list in the "Open with .." option.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#26

Hi :slight_smile:
It is smart to have an archive manager in the context/right-click menu for many
different purposes such as compressing a collection of files ready to email or
whatever. WinZip is probably still the best archive manager in Windows.

I think the "make this default" option sets it so that the specific file-type is
opened by the selected program using a double-click rather than a right-click
from hence forth. Or at least until you use the same option to change the
default again. There are usually quite a few sub-categories of any particular
format so changing, for example, "docX" to Writer using this method might not
cover ALL ".docX"s.

It's interesting to hear the odf can be opened with an archive manager. I knew
docXs can be but didn't know odts could too. Is odt an Xml format? I seem to
remember hearing it is but i'm not sure. I tend to stick with doc (without the
X) for greater compatibility with users of older versions of MS Office.

Also i don't know whether being non-Admin in Windows makes a difference to how
the "Open with ..." thing works in Windows. Generally it is safer to create a
normal user account for normal daily use and then only use the
Admin/Root/Super-User account for specific tasks. Sadly, it doesn't make
Windows much safer as programs tend to dip in and out of Admin level for no
really good reason. Still not opening web-pages, emails (and any files from
other people) as Admin user does reduce the chance of malware and other attacks
from being so effective.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#27

Tanstaafl wrote (10-06-11 17:26)

Tanstaafl wrote (10-06-11 16:54)

If you go back and read the archives, you will plainly see that the only
reason given for the single download was because of limited disk space,

Are you really sure? I though build time, so plain CPU power& energy,
were an issue too. But I might be wrong (could ask devs of course..)

I'm sure, because I participated in the discussion...

What I see now is :

#28

Hi :slight_smile:
And part-time (paid) and full-time (volunteers) or a combination of partly paid
and partly volunteer work either (or both) of which might be full or part-time.

There is often an assumption that paid people work at a particular task
full-time but even a full-time worker might have many different duties. Also
"full time" in my country used to mean about 40-45 hours/week, perhaps more in
certain types of work a decade or few ago. Nowadays it means about 30hours/week
but many people still work in excess of 60-70 hours per week, especially
self-employed people. I also know many volunteers that put in about 60 hours
per week through love of the project or in a "save the world" type of
fanaticism. It is easy to be disparaging about volunteer work especially if you
have only seen the "slap a bit of paint on the community shack and have a beer"
type of thing as shown on tele and promoted by the media who would like to
perpetuate the myth rather than really examine the truth. It's a bit like
racism or something where people see one or 2 examples on the street but fail to
realise that they are not seeing what is going-on off-street.

I'm not saying that Cor meant to fall into this trap, on the contrary he appears
to have been trying to congratulate everyone on working hard and/or smart and
achieving an excellent result.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 23:57:35
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] help package installation failure

Tanstaafl wrote (10-06-11 17:26)
>> Tanstaafl wrote (10-06-11 16:54)
>>
>>> If you go back and read the archives, you will plainly see that the only
>>> reason given for the single download was because of limited disk space,
>>
>> Are you really sure? I though build time, so plain CPU power& energy,
>> were an issue too. But I might be wrong (could ask devs of course..)
>
> I'm sure, because I participated in the discussion...

What I see now is :

Subject: Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:10:47 +0000
From: Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@novell.com>
[...]
     One of the benefits of the combined installer is that we do not require
many gigabytes of duplicated pointlessness on -every- mirror site: as we
duplicate all of the code again and again and again for windows, 90%+ of
which is identical, but each time with ~10Mb of translation / help :slight_smile:
That is a nightare to build, copy, sign, up-load and manage.
[...]

I see 3.4.0 for Windows is 188 MB now. Do you remember how much it was in
December .. 440 MB.
  Wow, great work from all the devs, full time (paid) and part time
volunteers, that helped with this!

But on the other hand, and I guess that's what the discussion started with,
having to do a separate download for the help, if you want it local, is not so
convenient.

Regards,

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#29

Thanks for the start:

I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was on the move

The finish went like this:-
Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office

Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3 programs
and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc

Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the Program folders.

Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open with"

Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"

Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with "open with".

So its whoever is installed first!

I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to LibreOffice.

BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.

regards

John B

#30

I would suggest using RevoUninstaller to do ANY program uninstalling, and there is a free version. I have used it with great success for quite a few years. If you use the 4th option from the uninstall dialog window, it will use the programs normal uninstaller, first. Then it scans for all "leftovers" that has left. You will go through a couple of steps where the program will show you what it has found, including what is left in the registry. It lets you pick and choose what you want to delete, or you can choose "all" and delete. Very seldom have I ever had it leave any "crumbles" of a program I no longer wanted on my machine.
On the "open with" issue, always be sure, when you have picked a program to "open with" from the browse window, that the little box in the bottom, left hand corner of that window is checked. It says something like "always open this type file with this program".
Just a couple of suggestions that may help you out in the future.
Roxy Robinson

Thanks for the start:

I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was on
the move

The finish went like this:-
Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office

Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3
programs
and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc

Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the
Program folders.

Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open with"

Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"

Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with
"open with".

So its whoever is installed first!

I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for
Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to
LibreOffice.

BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.

regards

John B

#31

Hi :slight_smile:

Thanks Roxy. Windows un-installers always tend to leave chaff behind. It's
practically impossible not to. Part of the problem is that MS 'have to' stick
with legacy systems such as the registry in order to be backwards compatible.

Generally using Windows means committing to re-installing it every couple of
years or just put-up-with the standard slow-downs from all the chaff and stuff.
I found off-line defrags with PerfectDisk helped a lot. Standard defrags,
especially the default MS one can't defrag system-files which makes them almost
completely useless but Raxco's one can do Virtual Memory (=swap-file) which
makes a huge difference.

This RevoUninstaller sounds like the other part of the equation.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 16:10:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for a
cleaner

I would suggest using RevoUninstaller to do ANY program uninstalling, and there
is a free version. I have used it with great success for quite a few years. If
you use the 4th option from the uninstall dialog window, it will use the
programs normal uninstaller, first. Then it scans for all "leftovers" that has
left. You will go through a couple of steps where the program will show you what
it has found, including what is left in the registry. It lets you pick and
choose what you want to delete, or you can choose "all" and delete. Very seldom
have I ever had it leave any "crumbles" of a program I no longer wanted on my
machine.
On the "open with" issue, always be sure, when you have picked a program to
"open with" from the browse window, that the little box in the bottom, left
hand corner of that window is checked. It says something like "always open this
type file with this program".
Just a couple of suggestions that may help you out in the future.
Roxy Robinson

Thanks for the start:

I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was on
the move

The finish went like this:-
Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office

Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3
programs
and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc

Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the
Program folders.

Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open with"

Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"

Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with
"open with".

So its whoever is installed first!

I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for
Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to
LibreOffice.

BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.

regards

John B

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

> Hi :slight_smile:
> Un-installing OpenOffice often cures weird and unlikely problems especially
in
> Windows.
>
>
> There is still often a clash between OpenOffice and LibreOffice when both
are
> installed on a system. There are some clever ways to install both but i
don't
> have a note of any of the various instructions and have not compared their
> reliability or effectiveness.
>
>
> Often the main problems occur when the Quick Launcher/Starter is enabled
within
> OpenOffice. Even without that they both use the same names on the
command-line,
> such as "soffice --writer" so the scope for errors and confusions is quite
> high.
>
>
> Usually just using the "Open with .." and then browsing to the relevant
program
> is enough to push that program to the short-list in the "Open with .."
option.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :slight_smile:
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 14:46:28
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with"
>
> To open a selected Document with LibreOffice does anyone know how to make
> LibraOffice appear in the Windows "Open With" (and stay there).
>
> Even when I use the "browse" within the "open with" , then locate
LibreOffice
> manually, it still does not work, as when I click on LibreOffice or Writer
> (applications), its ignored and the system jumps back to the browsing list.
>
> Also Libra Office does not appear in the recommended programs list, whilst
> OpenOffice does and works fine.
>
>
> Windows XP pro sp3
> Libre Office 3.3& 3.4
>
> John B
>
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#32

Tom,
The Windows "add/remove" program is probably even worse than its defragger. Revo gets pretty deep into the registry - it may leave "main headings" in the registry sometimes, but it really does do a good job of cleaning when it uninstalls a program. There are many computer "gurus", writers, etc, that recommend it - it seems like anymore if you read an article, anywhere, about speeding up Windows, RevoUninstaller will be mentioned. I know that it comes very close to removing everything of Norton AV, which is one of the worst programs there is to get off your computer. There are even special NAV uninstallers out there to help with it.
Roxy

Hi :slight_smile:

Thanks Roxy. Windows un-installers always tend to leave chaff behind. It's
practically impossible not to. Part of the problem is that MS 'have to' stick
with legacy systems such as the registry in order to be backwards compatible.

Generally using Windows means committing to re-installing it every couple of
years or just put-up-with the standard slow-downs from all the chaff and stuff.
I found off-line defrags with PerfectDisk helped a lot. Standard defrags,
especially the default MS one can't defrag system-files which makes them almost
completely useless but Raxco's one can do Virtual Memory (=swap-file) which
makes a huge difference.

This RevoUninstaller sounds like the other part of the equation.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 16:10:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for a
cleaner

I would suggest using RevoUninstaller to do ANY program uninstalling, and there
is a free version. I have used it with great success for quite a few years. If
you use the 4th option from the uninstall dialog window, it will use the
programs normal uninstaller, first. Then it scans for all "leftovers" that has
left. You will go through a couple of steps where the program will show you what
it has found, including what is left in the registry. It lets you pick and
choose what you want to delete, or you can choose "all" and delete. Very seldom
have I ever had it leave any "crumbles" of a program I no longer wanted on my
machine.
On the "open with" issue, always be sure, when you have picked a program to
"open with" from the browse window, that the little box in the bottom, left
hand corner of that window is checked. It says something like "always open this
type file with this program".
Just a couple of suggestions that may help you out in the future.
Roxy Robinson

Thanks for the start:

I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was on
the move

The finish went like this:-
Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office

Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3
programs
and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc

Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the
Program folders.

Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open with"

Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"

Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with
"open with".

So its whoever is installed first!

I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for
Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to
LibreOffice.

BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.

regards

John B

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

> Hi :slight_smile:
> Un-installing OpenOffice often cures weird and unlikely problems especially
in
> Windows.
>
>
> There is still often a clash between OpenOffice and LibreOffice when both
are
> installed on a system. There are some clever ways to install both but i
don't
> have a note of any of the various instructions and have not compared their
> reliability or effectiveness.
>
>
> Often the main problems occur when the Quick Launcher/Starter is enabled
within
> OpenOffice. Even without that they both use the same names on the
command-line,
> such as "soffice --writer" so the scope for errors and confusions is quite
> high.
>
>
> Usually just using the "Open with .." and then browsing to the relevant
program
> is enough to push that program to the short-list in the "Open with .."
option.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :slight_smile:
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 14:46:28
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with"
>
> To open a selected Document with LibreOffice does anyone know how to make
> LibraOffice appear in the Windows "Open With" (and stay there).
>
> Even when I use the "browse" within the "open with" , then locate
LibreOffice
> manually, it still does not work, as when I click on LibreOffice or Writer
> (applications), its ignored and the system jumps back to the browsing list.
>
> Also Libra Office does not appear in the recommended programs list, whilst
> OpenOffice does and works fine.
>
>
> Windows XP pro sp3
> Libre Office 3.3& 3.4
>
> John B
>
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#33

Hi :slight_smile:
The equivalent in gnu&linux is/are excellent. Plus they also do the "add" bit
rather well by including search tools so that it's easy to find programs that
you might want to have even if you can't remember their exact names.

There are sooo many things i don't miss about the Windows world. I feel like i
have broken out of stockholm syndrome or something. Colleagues at work often
hit walls in Windows and are unable to cope with trivial stuff. Makes me feel
so smug. A few times i have even been able to fix things with a LiveUsb :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 19:09:00
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for a
cleaner

Tom,
The Windows "add/remove" program is probably even worse than its defragger.
Revo gets pretty deep into the registry - it may leave "main headings" in the
registry sometimes, but it really does do a good job of cleaning when it
uninstalls a program. There are many computer "gurus", writers, etc, that
recommend it - it seems like anymore if you read an article, anywhere, about
speeding up Windows, RevoUninstaller will be mentioned. I know that it comes
very close to removing everything of Norton AV, which is one of the worst
programs there is to get off your computer. There are even special NAV
uninstallers out there to help with it.
Roxy

Hi :slight_smile:

Thanks Roxy. Windows un-installers always tend to leave chaff behind. It's
practically impossible not to. Part of the problem is that MS 'have to'

stick

with legacy systems such as the registry in order to be backwards compatible.

Generally using Windows means committing to re-installing it every couple of
years or just put-up-with the standard slow-downs from all the chaff and
stuff.
I found off-line defrags with PerfectDisk helped a lot. Standard defrags,
especially the default MS one can't defrag system-files which makes them
almost
completely useless but Raxco's one can do Virtual Memory (=swap-file) which
makes a huge difference.

This RevoUninstaller sounds like the other part of the equation.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

> From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 16:10:21
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for
a
>cleaner
>
> I would suggest using RevoUninstaller to do ANY program uninstalling, and
there
>is a free version. I have used it with great success for quite a few years.
If
>you use the 4th option from the uninstall dialog window, it will use the
>programs normal uninstaller, first. Then it scans for all "leftovers" that
has
>left. You will go through a couple of steps where the program will show you
what
>it has found, including what is left in the registry. It lets you pick and
>choose what you want to delete, or you can choose "all" and delete. Very
seldom
>have I ever had it leave any "crumbles" of a program I no longer wanted on

my

>machine.
> On the "open with" issue, always be sure, when you have picked a program
to
>"open with" from the browse window, that the little box in the bottom, left
>hand corner of that window is checked. It says something like "always open
this
>type file with this program".
> Just a couple of suggestions that may help you out in the future.
> Roxy Robinson
>
>
> Thanks for the start:
>
> I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was on
> the move
>
> The finish went like this:-
> Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office
>
> Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3
> programs
> and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc
>
> Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the
> Program folders.
>
> Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open with"
>
> Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"
>
> Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with
> "open with".
>
> So its whoever is installed first!
>
> I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for
> Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to
> LibreOffice.
>
> BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.
>
> regards
>
> John B
>

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-
>-
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi :slight_smile:
> > Un-installing OpenOffice often cures weird and unlikely problems
especially
>in
> > Windows.
> >
> >
> > There is still often a clash between OpenOffice and LibreOffice when
both
>are
> > installed on a system. There are some clever ways to install both but i
>don't
> > have a note of any of the various instructions and have not compared
their
> > reliability or effectiveness.
> >
> >
> > Often the main problems occur when the Quick Launcher/Starter is

enabled

>within
> > OpenOffice. Even without that they both use the same names on the
>command-line,
> > such as "soffice --writer" so the scope for errors and confusions is
quite
> > high.
> >
> >
> > Usually just using the "Open with .." and then browsing to the relevant
>program
> > is enough to push that program to the short-list in the "Open with .."
>option.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :slight_smile:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 14:46:28
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with"
> >
> > To open a selected Document with LibreOffice does anyone know how to

make

> > LibraOffice appear in the Windows "Open With" (and stay there).
> >
> > Even when I use the "browse" within the "open with" , then locate
>LibreOffice
> > manually, it still does not work, as when I click on LibreOffice or
Writer
> > (applications), its ignored and the system jumps back to the browsing
list.
> >
> > Also Libra Office does not appear in the recommended programs list,
whilst
> > OpenOffice does and works fine.
> >
> >
> > Windows XP pro sp3
> > Libre Office 3.3& 3.4
> >
> > John B
> >
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#34

I was told once by MS several years ago that some of the AV programs are
buried so deep that to truly remove them required reinstalling Windows,
ouch.

#35

I have Ubuntu 10.10 desktop CD in my desk. One of these days I hope to get to that, too.
That's the terrible thing about mainstream, paid for, software. Why make it perfect (or as perfect as a human can) when that would end your ongoing sales??
Roxy

Hi :slight_smile:
The equivalent in gnu&linux is/are excellent. Plus they also do the "add" bit
rather well by including search tools so that it's easy to find programs that
you might want to have even if you can't remember their exact names.

There are sooo many things i don't miss about the Windows world. I feel like i
have broken out of stockholm syndrome or something. Colleagues at work often
hit walls in Windows and are unable to cope with trivial stuff. Makes me feel
so smug. A few times i have even been able to fix things with a LiveUsb :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 19:09:00
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for a
cleaner

Tom,
The Windows "add/remove" program is probably even worse than its defragger.
Revo gets pretty deep into the registry - it may leave "main headings" in the
registry sometimes, but it really does do a good job of cleaning when it
uninstalls a program. There are many computer "gurus", writers, etc, that
recommend it - it seems like anymore if you read an article, anywhere, about
speeding up Windows, RevoUninstaller will be mentioned. I know that it comes
very close to removing everything of Norton AV, which is one of the worst
programs there is to get off your computer. There are even special NAV
uninstallers out there to help with it.
Roxy

Hi :slight_smile:

Thanks Roxy. Windows un-installers always tend to leave chaff behind. It's
practically impossible not to. Part of the problem is that MS 'have to'

stick

with legacy systems such as the registry in order to be backwards compatible.

Generally using Windows means committing to re-installing it every couple of
years or just put-up-with the standard slow-downs from all the chaff and
stuff.
I found off-line defrags with PerfectDisk helped a lot. Standard defrags,
especially the default MS one can't defrag system-files which makes them
almost
completely useless but Raxco's one can do Virtual Memory (=swap-file) which
makes a huge difference.

This RevoUninstaller sounds like the other part of the equation.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

> From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 16:10:21
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for
a
>cleaner
>
> I would suggest using RevoUninstaller to do ANY program uninstalling, and
there
>is a free version. I have used it with great success for quite a few years.
If
>you use the 4th option from the uninstall dialog window, it will use the
>programs normal uninstaller, first. Then it scans for all "leftovers" that
has
>left. You will go through a couple of steps where the program will show you
what
>it has found, including what is left in the registry. It lets you pick and
>choose what you want to delete, or you can choose "all" and delete. Very
seldom
>have I ever had it leave any "crumbles" of a program I no longer wanted on

my

>machine.
> On the "open with" issue, always be sure, when you have picked a program
to
>"open with" from the browse window, that the little box in the bottom, left
>hand corner of that window is checked. It says something like "always open
this
>type file with this program".
> Just a couple of suggestions that may help you out in the future.
> Roxy Robinson
>
>
> Thanks for the start:
>
> I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was on
> the move
>
> The finish went like this:-
> Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office
>
> Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3
> programs
> and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc
>
> Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the
> Program folders.
>
> Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open with"
>
> Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"
>
> Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with
> "open with".
>
> So its whoever is installed first!
>
> I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for
> Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to
> LibreOffice.
>
> BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.
>
> regards
>
> John B
>

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-
>-
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi :slight_smile:
> > Un-installing OpenOffice often cures weird and unlikely problems
especially
>in
> > Windows.
> >
> >
> > There is still often a clash between OpenOffice and LibreOffice when
both
>are
> > installed on a system. There are some clever ways to install both but i
>don't
> > have a note of any of the various instructions and have not compared
their
> > reliability or effectiveness.
> >
> >
> > Often the main problems occur when the Quick Launcher/Starter is

enabled

>within
> > OpenOffice. Even without that they both use the same names on the
>command-line,
> > such as "soffice --writer" so the scope for errors and confusions is
quite
> > high.
> >
> >
> > Usually just using the "Open with .." and then browsing to the relevant
>program
> > is enough to push that program to the short-list in the "Open with .."
>option.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :slight_smile:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 14:46:28
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with"
> >
> > To open a selected Document with LibreOffice does anyone know how to

make

> > LibraOffice appear in the Windows "Open With" (and stay there).
> >
> > Even when I use the "browse" within the "open with" , then locate
>LibreOffice
> > manually, it still does not work, as when I click on LibreOffice or
Writer
> > (applications), its ignored and the system jumps back to the browsing
list.
> >
> > Also Libra Office does not appear in the recommended programs list,
whilst
> > OpenOffice does and works fine.
> >
> >
> > Windows XP pro sp3
> > Libre Office 3.3& 3.4
> >
> > John B
> >
> > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+help@global.libreoffice.org
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>postmaster@documentfoundation.org
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>deleted
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#36

That is why there is a "special" uninstaller for Norton AV, that is, or course, not produced by the Norton folks. It is a "freebie" out there somewhere. I used it several years ago, but don't remember just exactly where I got it.
Roxy

Tom,
The Windows "add/remove" program is probably even worse than its defragger. Revo gets pretty deep into the registry - it may leave "main headings" in the registry sometimes, but it really does do a good job of cleaning when it uninstalls a program. There are many computer "gurus", writers, etc, that recommend it - it seems like anymore if you read an article, anywhere, about speeding up Windows, RevoUninstaller will be mentioned. I know that it comes very close to removing everything of Norton AV, which is one of the worst programs there is to get off your computer. There are even special NAV uninstallers out there to help with it.
Roxy

Hi :slight_smile:

Thanks Roxy. Windows un-installers always tend to leave chaff behind. It's
practically impossible not to. Part of the problem is that MS 'have to' stick
with legacy systems such as the registry in order to be backwards compatible.

Generally using Windows means committing to re-installing it every couple of
years or just put-up-with the standard slow-downs from all the chaff and stuff.
I found off-line defrags with PerfectDisk helped a lot. Standard defrags,
especially the default MS one can't defrag system-files which makes them almost
completely useless but Raxco's one can do Virtual Memory (=swap-file) which
makes a huge difference.

This RevoUninstaller sounds like the other part of the equation.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

> From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 16:10:21
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for a
>cleaner
>
> I would suggest using RevoUninstaller to do ANY program uninstalling, and there
>is a free version. I have used it with great success for quite a few years. If
>you use the 4th option from the uninstall dialog window, it will use the
>programs normal uninstaller, first. Then it scans for all "leftovers" that has
>left. You will go through a couple of steps where the program will show you what
>it has found, including what is left in the registry. It lets you pick and
>choose what you want to delete, or you can choose "all" and delete. Very seldom
>have I ever had it leave any "crumbles" of a program I no longer wanted on my
>machine.
> On the "open with" issue, always be sure, when you have picked a program to
>"open with" from the browse window, that the little box in the bottom, left
>hand corner of that window is checked. It says something like "always open this
>type file with this program".
> Just a couple of suggestions that may help you out in the future.
> Roxy Robinson
>
>
> Thanks for the start:
>
> I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was on
> the move
>
> The finish went like this:-
> Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office
>
> Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3
> programs
> and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc
>
> Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the
> Program folders.
>
> Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open with"
>
> Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"
>
> Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with
> "open with".
>
> So its whoever is installed first!
>
> I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for
> Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to
> LibreOffice.
>
> BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.
>
> regards
>
> John B
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi :slight_smile:
> > Un-installing OpenOffice often cures weird and unlikely problems especially
>in
> > Windows.
> >
> >
> > There is still often a clash between OpenOffice and LibreOffice when both
>are
> > installed on a system. There are some clever ways to install both but i
>don't
> > have a note of any of the various instructions and have not compared their
> > reliability or effectiveness.
> >
> >
> > Often the main problems occur when the Quick Launcher/Starter is enabled
>within
> > OpenOffice. Even without that they both use the same names on the
>command-line,
> > such as "soffice --writer" so the scope for errors and confusions is quite
> > high.
> >
> >
> > Usually just using the "Open with .." and then browsing to the relevant
>program
> > is enough to push that program to the short-list in the "Open with .."
>option.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :slight_smile:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 14:46:28
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with"
> >
> > To open a selected Document with LibreOffice does anyone know how to make
> > LibraOffice appear in the Windows "Open With" (and stay there).
> >
> > Even when I use the "browse" within the "open with" , then locate
>LibreOffice
> > manually, it still does not work, as when I click on LibreOffice or Writer
> > (applications), its ignored and the system jumps back to the browsing list.
> >
> > Also Libra Office does not appear in the recommended programs list, whilst
> > OpenOffice does and works fine.
> >
> >
> > Windows XP pro sp3
> > Libre Office 3.3& 3.4
> >
> > John B
> >
> > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+help@global.libreoffice.org
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I was told once by MS several years ago that some of the AV programs are
buried so deep that to truly remove them required reinstalling Windows,
ouch.

#37

Hi :slight_smile:
You can reboot the machine with the Ubuntu Cd in and "Try it" instead of
installing. It's the slowest way to try Ubuntu but it's still often faster that
way than Windows.

Actually the 10.04 and the 10.10 are a bit quirky so i tend to choose the
"Install it" option and then at the next page go "Back" and then try the "Try
it" option. [sigh] It takes maybe 10-15 mins to get to a working desktop using
the Cd but Firefox is on the top taskbar and it's worth checking how fast that
works at surfing a few sites.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 22:14:12
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for a
cleaner

I have Ubuntu 10.10 desktop CD in my desk. One of these days I hope to get to
that, too.
That's the terrible thing about mainstream, paid for, software. Why make it
perfect (or as perfect as a human can) when that would end your ongoing sales??
Roxy

Hi :slight_smile:
The equivalent in gnu&linux is/are excellent. Plus they also do the "add"
bit
rather well by including search tools so that it's easy to find programs that
you might want to have even if you can't remember their exact names.

There are sooo many things i don't miss about the Windows world. I feel like
i
have broken out of stockholm syndrome or something. Colleagues at work often
hit walls in Windows and are unable to cope with trivial stuff. Makes me
feel
so smug. A few times i have even been able to fix things with a LiveUsb :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

> From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 19:09:00
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call for
a
>cleaner
>
> Tom,
> The Windows "add/remove" program is probably even worse than its

defragger.

>Revo gets pretty deep into the registry - it may leave "main headings" in
the
>registry sometimes, but it really does do a good job of cleaning when it
>uninstalls a program. There are many computer "gurus", writers, etc, that
>recommend it - it seems like anymore if you read an article, anywhere,

about

>speeding up Windows, RevoUninstaller will be mentioned. I know that it
comes
>very close to removing everything of Norton AV, which is one of the worst
>programs there is to get off your computer. There are even special NAV
>uninstallers out there to help with it.
> Roxy
>
>
> Hi :slight_smile:
>
> Thanks Roxy. Windows un-installers always tend to leave chaff behind.
It's
> practically impossible not to. Part of the problem is that MS 'have to'
stick
> with legacy systems such as the registry in order to be backwards
compatible.
>
>
> Generally using Windows means committing to re-installing it every couple
of
> years or just put-up-with the standard slow-downs from all the chaff and
>stuff.
> I found off-line defrags with PerfectDisk helped a lot. Standard defrags,
> especially the default MS one can't defrag system-files which makes them
>almost
> completely useless but Raxco's one can do Virtual Memory (=swap-file)

which

> makes a huge difference.
>
>
> This RevoUninstaller sounds like the other part of the equation.
> Thanks and regards from
> Tom :slight_smile:
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 16:10:21
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with" - the answer - Call
for
>a
> >cleaner
> >
> > I would suggest using RevoUninstaller to do ANY program uninstalling,

and

>there
> >is a free version. I have used it with great success for quite a few
years.
>If
> >you use the 4th option from the uninstall dialog window, it will use the
> >programs normal uninstaller, first. Then it scans for all "leftovers"

that

>has
> >left. You will go through a couple of steps where the program will show
you
>what
> >it has found, including what is left in the registry. It lets you pick

and

> >choose what you want to delete, or you can choose "all" and delete. Very
>seldom
> >have I ever had it leave any "crumbles" of a program I no longer wanted
on
my
> >machine.
> > On the "open with" issue, always be sure, when you have picked a

program

>to
> >"open with" from the browse window, that the little box in the bottom,
left
> >hand corner of that window is checked. It says something like "always
open
>this
> >type file with this program".
> > Just a couple of suggestions that may help you out in the future.
> > Roxy Robinson
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the start:
> >
> > I un-installed just OpenOffice and it made no difference - but I was
on
> > the move
> >
> > The finish went like this:-
> > Un-install:- Open office, Lotus Symphony and Libra Office
> >
> > Then in Regedit (about 2 hours):- Delete any mention of the above 3
> > programs
> > and Delete:- all mentions of soffice.exe, swriter etc
> >
> > Delete the directories for the above in Application Data and the
> > Program folders.
> >
> > Then re-install Libra office 3.4 - it works! - I can now use "open
with"
> >
> > Then I re-installed Lotus Symphony 1 - that works with "open with"
> >
> > Then I re-installed Open office 3.3 - and now that does NOT work with
> > "open with".
> >
> > So its whoever is installed first!
> >
> > I am not too bothered this way around as OpenOffice does not cater for
> > Lotus Smart suite files whilst LibreOffice does >> all praise to
> > LibreOffice.
> >
> > BUT, none of those 3 gets a star for cleanliness when de-installing.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > John B
> >

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-
>-
> >-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi :slight_smile:
> > > Un-installing OpenOffice often cures weird and unlikely problems
>especially
> >in
> > > Windows.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is still often a clash between OpenOffice and LibreOffice when
>both
> >are
> > > installed on a system. There are some clever ways to install both but
i
> >don't
> > > have a note of any of the various instructions and have not compared
>their
> > > reliability or effectiveness.
> > >
> > >
> > > Often the main problems occur when the Quick Launcher/Starter is
enabled
> >within
> > > OpenOffice. Even without that they both use the same names on the
> >command-line,
> > > such as "soffice --writer" so the scope for errors and confusions is
>quite
> > > high.
> > >
> > >
> > > Usually just using the "Open with .." and then browsing to the
relevant
> >program
> > > is enough to push that program to the short-list in the "Open with
.."
> >option.
> > >
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :slight_smile:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
> > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 14:46:28
> > > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Windows "Open with"
> > >
> > > To open a selected Document with LibreOffice does anyone know how to
make
> > > LibraOffice appear in the Windows "Open With" (and stay there).
> > >
> > > Even when I use the "browse" within the "open with" , then locate
> >LibreOffice
> > > manually, it still does not work, as when I click on LibreOffice or
>Writer
> > > (applications), its ignored and the system jumps back to the

browsing

>list.
> > >
> > > Also Libra Office does not appear in the recommended programs list,
>whilst
> > > OpenOffice does and works fine.
> > >
> > >
> > > Windows XP pro sp3
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#38

I have the standard settings (unchanged) for Spelling and Grammar check.

When I am typing or do a document-wide spelling check - no words are highlighted or found to be incorrect even if I purposely spell something incorrectly as a test.

Do I need to download a dictionary to get this working?

Cheers

Phil Jackson

#39

This departs from the topic slightly, so please forgive.

When faced with recalcitrant application uninstallation, I have resorted to removing the folder that contains the binary and running a registry cleaner. (CCleaner seems to work and do no damage.)

There is no way to be certain every folder belonging to the recalcitrant application has been removed.

This is off topic, so please use private communication in responding.

David Teague

#40

Hi :slight_smile:
You can reboot the machine with the Ubuntu Cd in and "Try it" instead of
installing.  It's the slowest way to try Ubuntu but it's still often faster that
way than Windows.

Well, it's slow from the CD, so I prefer to make a Live USB stick
instead. Much faster, but still not as fast as a native install.

But enough about that now, aren't we supposed to discuss LibreOffice here…? :stuck_out_tongue:

Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
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