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Outside of
LibreOffice and OpenSource everyone else uses top-post almost
exclusively.
Last time I went to USENET, people were still actively bottom-posting
(interleaved). At least excluding Google Groups posts, which I
filter. (Google Groups is the cultural heir of America Online)
Smart phones make it difficult to post any other way.
Some regular email and news cliends do, too. There are and will always
be broken clients.
Oh Ken, thay got education! but the kind of education saying:
"Well, let's quickly reply: the correcpondant will always understand"
If polite explanations are not enough, why not...
People are lazy - get used to it.
I do.
But get used o me always reminding then.
In most cases top-posting is preferable
No.
Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my case ... I'm mobile and the mail app on this phone is hardcoded to push all quotes below the reply)
Otherwise, I do bottom posts when I'm my desktop/laptop
Okay, I just saw this after responding in similar manner shortly. At least someone understands.
I wish my phone doesn't always expect me to use the browser just to comply with demands for bottom posts. Otherwise, ... This reply would have been at the bottom with the irrelevant phrases snipped off
LMAO!!!!
Hi 
Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the person reading). Top posting means that most emails can be read without any scrolling at all.
Regards from
Tom
Hi
Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the person reading). Top posting means that most emails can be read without any scrolling at all.
Regards from
Tom
Not true. You have to scroll down to see what is being responded to then scroll back up to see the response. Since you do not include proper attribution marks for the posts you respond to, the immediate message you respond to appears to be written by you.
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Following the rules does not hide the answers. In fact, it's just the opposite, IMO. If you follow, and enforce, the rules, and you know the rules, you know where to find the answers.
All civilizations, cultures, communities that are/were successful had rules that were followed. Anarchy, everyone doing what they wanted, has never been successful AFAIK.
This passage did not have attribution marks and therefore appears to be from you.
Rotflmao! Someone gets it...
Larry has just presented two other problems with top-posting.
Hi
No, he didn't. He just showed that he has not read any of the posts yet as his arguments are already countered in previous posts.
Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting might be. The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. Do we want to stop office workers from using LibreOffice? Alienating them would be a good way to get them to stay with whatever else they already use.
Betamax was a better format than VHS but it lost the battle for acceptance and now the argument is irrelevant anyway. Perhaps it is similar with bottom posting. It might be better but almost no-one in our target markets use it (note the "almost" there). Most people would rather use forums anyway as mailing lists are ancient and out-dated.
So, do we want to go the route of betamax, ie obscurity, or do we want to get LibreOffice out there and being used?
Regards from
Tom
-sigh- let's see if I can get this attribution thing
fixed... gnus-outlook-deuglify-article couldn't process this message
>>
>>> Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be
>>> scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant
>>> (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the
>>> person reading). Top posting means that most emails can be read
>>> without any scrolling at all.
>>
>> Not true. You have to scroll down to see what is being responded to then
>> scroll back up to see the response. Since you do not include proper
>> attribution marks for the posts you respond to, the immediate message
>> you respond to appears to be written by you.
Well, I guess if someone has a pretty damn good short term memory, then
we really don't need any context at all. That's right, we need ... erm,
what was I talking about again?
> Larry has just presented two other problems with top-posting.
No, he didn't. He just showed that he has not read any of the posts
yet as his arguments are already countered in previous posts.
What was exactly your argument to support lack of proper
citation/attribution marks?
Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting
might be. The fact is that it is widely used especially by office
workers. Do we want to stop office workers from using LibreOffice?
Alienating them would be a good way to get them to stay with whatever
else they already use.
Maybe we should instead teach office workers to use e-mail correctly.
Betamax was a better format than VHS but it lost the battle for
acceptance and now the argument is irrelevant anyway. Perhaps it is
similar with bottom posting. It might be better but almost no-one in
our target markets use it (note the "almost" there). Most people
would rather use forums anyway as mailing lists are ancient and
out-dated.
Unlike betamax and VHS, top-posted emails and bottom-posted emails are
both readable by the same kind of client, so that analogy won't work.
With betamax and VHS, unless you buy a VCR that supports both, or two
VCRs, you get to stick with the choice you made and you can't use the
other format.
So, do we want to go the route of betamax, ie obscurity, or do we want
to get LibreOffice out there and being used?--
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No, he didn't. He just showed that he has not read any of the posts yet as his arguments are already countered in previous posts.
Bullshit. You continually do not show the proper attribution in the posts you reply to. You have not countered this in any post. This has been mentioned many times but you refuse to correct your email client behaviour.
Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting might be. The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. Do we want to stop office workers from using LibreOffice? Alienating them would be a good way to get them to stay with whatever else they already use.
What office workers do is irrelevant. How would support givers properly interspersing and trimming their replies keep office workers from using LibreOffice?
How would properly interspersing a reply to their questions alienate them?
Betamax was a better format than VHS but it lost the battle for acceptance and now the argument is irrelevant anyway. Perhaps it is similar with bottom posting. It might be better but almost no-one in our target markets use it (note the "almost" there). Most people would rather use forums anyway as mailing lists are ancient and out-dated.
And that statement is totally irrelevant to the question.
So, do we want to go the route of betamax, ie obscurity, or do we want to get LibreOffice out there and being used?
How is the request to people giving support to properly intersperse and trim have anything to do with getting people to use LibreOffice?
Hi
I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults. There are likely to be more people using such systems as LibreOffice becomes more popular. Hold onto your hats!
Why are people in here so determined to make things unpleasant and difficult for normal office workers? Is LibreOffice not meant to be used in offices by office workers?
Regards from
Tom
Coming from you - someone who pretends that top posting advocates advocate blindly top-posting, when the reality is very different - that is really, really funny!
Rotflmao!
His arguments have not been countered by anything even remotely resembling logic or reason...
Why should 'normal office workers' be exempt from general rules of common courtesy?
Sorry, Tom, you're a lazy ass, and a liar to boot (demonstrated as much far too many times for it to be an accident)...
LibreOffice is meant to be used by office workers, among other users. We
are just trying to make the mailing list a more pleasant place for
normal email users.
It's just that the mailing list is meant to be used by email users.
Hi to all,
Some of you have convinced me to use top posting, since it is better. Some of you have convinced me to use bottom posting, since it is better. Some of you have convinced me to do snipping, since it is better. Obviously there isn't a black and white solution.
*My Big Concern* here is how are we being perceived by those who come here for help by the amount of time that has been spent on this thread today. I was one of the first responders last night. Never did I dream when I went to bed last night my inbox will be filled with a discussion like this today. People come here for help. People come here to help others. If this was the first day I came to this list, and I saw all of this and my problem being somewhat trivialized by all of this discussion, I would be out of hear.
Is it not time to put this to rest and move on with the business this list was created for?
I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, but quite honestly, I'm sure a newcomer hear today would not be at all impressed with a list that has done a tremendous amount of good for LibreOffice and provided great help to many people in the past.
Don
Hi
Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable from the message. By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been clearer which were your answers.
Sometimes interspersing becomes possible if i notice the other persons response is in a different colour but in plain text it just doesn't work without good spacing. From the 1st discernible answer i clearly wasn't missing much this time tho! Normally i think sure rudeness should not be answered at all.
'Regards' from
Tom